Does anyone have W221 wheels on their car? I'm looking at putting on a set of stock S550 18 wheels/tires and I wonder how they look/feel? Is the offset right to use without spacers?
W221 wheels on W140
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This is the reason I asked the question in the first place.
My MBZ 1996 S320LWB door jam sticker reads, Tire Size: 225/60/16, a friend of mine has a MBZ 1998 S320LWB, his door jam sticker reads, Tire Size: 235/60/16. Does anyone know if Mercedes-Benz changed the tire size so that they could specify the same size tires for all the W140's in the last year? If you plug in the model,year,make to TireRack, the 1996 OE Tire size size comes up 235/60/16 NOT 225/60/16 as spec by MBZ.
This is what my MBZ dealer told me about my car:
"as long as you use the same tire size at each axle, you will be fine. Your speedometer reading will be slightly different though, it will read a bit fast".
"The difference between the 235/60-16 tire, is the 235 is the section width of the tire, NOT the tread width. the 60 is the sidewall height, but it indicates the percentage of the section width, in this case 60%. thus a 235/60 tire will have a section width of 235mm and a sidewall height of 141mm. the 16 indicates what diameter wheel the tire mounts on.
The 225/60 tire will have a section width of 225mm and a sidewall height of 135mm.
Below is the overall diameter of each tire expressed in inches;
235/60-16 = 27.10 inches high
225/60-16 = 26.63 inches high
as you can see there is a slight difference in tire hight, but not enough to worry about.
My MBZ 1996 S320LWB door jam sticker reads, Tire Size: 225/60/16, a friend of mine has a MBZ 1998 S320LWB, his door jam sticker reads, Tire Size: 235/60/16. Does anyone know if Mercedes-Benz changed the tire size so that they could specify the same size tires for all the W140's in the last year? If you plug in the model,year,make to TireRack, the 1996 OE Tire size size comes up 235/60/16 NOT 225/60/16 as spec by MBZ.
This is what my MBZ dealer told me about my car:
"as long as you use the same tire size at each axle, you will be fine. Your speedometer reading will be slightly different though, it will read a bit fast".
"The difference between the 235/60-16 tire, is the 235 is the section width of the tire, NOT the tread width. the 60 is the sidewall height, but it indicates the percentage of the section width, in this case 60%. thus a 235/60 tire will have a section width of 235mm and a sidewall height of 141mm. the 16 indicates what diameter wheel the tire mounts on.
The 225/60 tire will have a section width of 225mm and a sidewall height of 135mm.
Below is the overall diameter of each tire expressed in inches;
235/60-16 = 27.10 inches high
225/60-16 = 26.63 inches high
as you can see there is a slight difference in tire hight, but not enough to worry about.
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A guy I know on a VW forum had a set of those for very little money. I contemplated those but didn't like the expense of the rubber. Now after seeing these pics I wish I would have, they look very nice on that white car.
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Just got a slightly used set on ebay, 450 shipped for the stock W221 wheels.
Will post pics in a week or so. My car is two tone so it should be good measure.
CANT WAIT!!!
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Will post pics in a week or so. My car is two tone so it should be good measure.
CANT WAIT!!!
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I had a chance to buy a set of those locally from a friend on a german car forum and I didn't, at the time, think they would look good on the W140. Now I'm mad that I passed on them, after all, they were only $300.
my loss...hmmph
steve a
my loss...hmmph
steve a
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These look pretty good indeed!Found a W140 with the other W221 wheel:
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Plenty more pictures, but I think you get the idea
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I changed my mind, these look betterAsk and ye shall receive:
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I have to respectfully disagree with you (as bayhas has already did) on this quote.
M.B.s up to the early 90s did override and broke almost every logical physic law known. Their previous motto of "perfect engineering regardless of cost" did constantly threw the weirdest and most outrageous solutions at standards known to the automobile world. And the W140 is the epitome of this theory.
I am not a mechanic, nor intend to be one, but loving W140s and now owing two (an S 500 L and a CL 500) have learned many interesting things.
Going back to the tire size issue of this thread: yes, as bayhas has stated, a minimal tire size (such as 225 against 235) difference on a W140 would play havoc with its electronic systems (most of them anyway). The problems may not start to appear right away, but down the road you will be very disappointed on the final outcome. I personally have seen examples of these at the local dealership.
Another interesting issue about tires on W140s: The S/CL 600 has a peculiar safety system that if it detects a tire with 20% or less of the appropriate tire pressure it will automatically turn the transmission into the Emergency Limp Home mode. As soon as the air pressure on the offending tire is corrected, the transmission goes back to normal. By the way, I am not sure if this system was installed on U.S. models, but it was on most worldwide markets.
The W140 is full of systems like this, which other cars never thought even existed (at least at the time the W140 was introduced to the market).
um, lol, no.
Well, excuse me, but can YOU NAME one mass produced car brand up to the middleof the 90's that was as advanced, innovative and just plain technologically unique other than Mercedes-Benz?
NO?
Obviously my original comment was a bit extreme, but let my just paint the panorama for you:
Germans: B.M.W. was desperately trying to catch M.B. They did not succeed in many ways. Audi and the rest were just a marketing joke.
The italians? Nothing from Fiat to Ferrari could be called at least slightly reliable.
The French? Good designs, as always, pure junk technologically speaking.
The British? Hahahahahaha!
The Americans? Taking aside two or three models, everything else was worthless.
The Japanese? Still trying at the time what to be, and how to get there...
The Koreans? In diapers.
Again, and please pay close attention to the time frame: "up to the middle of the 90's" Any suggestions, anyone???
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Don't waste your time entertaining him.
His idea of a collective thought(s) is when he talks to himself in a mirror.
Every rusting 220 I work on I think of him, all the ones with a trunk leak because the fiberglass spare tyre well is cracked, I laugh, the ones I sweat in because the windows, AC and seats don't work. He won't change. He's a loser, a garnished tool bag.
Anyway, here's my Mercedes Benz, on the W221 chassis stock 18s.
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lol, you are an angry little man aren't you. Like I'm concerned with what you think of me.
Guess those POS 220s are keeping you in business. You should really be happy about it, shouldn't you. :thumbsup:
I'm sorry, but was that the question? Nope, sure wasn't.
You stated that the 140 defied the laws of physics. It doesn't. In fact, no car does.
Thats all there is to it.
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Here are the new Rims , i dont know wich S Class they belong to or even if they are OF an S Class at all , all they said was when i board them that they where FOR S Class MB .They feel ok with all 255/18's all round .
I opted out of the 20 inch Rims like i mentioned in a previous Post .
Ciao :thumbsup:
I opted out of the 20 inch Rims like i mentioned in a previous Post .
Ciao :thumbsup:
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Hahaha, I'm very happy that 220s make me money. No anger in it at all. Just more conclusive evidence of what is known of the W220 bodies that you deny.
One made me money today, going to the Yacht Club to enjoy some it.
Ciao
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Let's call them fat fives.
I have seen those wheels before. Maybe not so much around here but short wheel base cars abroad have them.
They look great!
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It wasn't a question, also it did not mention the W140 at all.
"Originally Posted by S500L
I have to respectfully disagree with you (as bayhas has already did) on this quote.
M.B.s up to the early 90s did override and broke almost every logical physic law known."
See again you misquote people and splurge shit from your keyboard.
Additionally there can be humorous statements, it's called sarcasm.
Besides all physical laws broken or unbroken, MB was king.neighbors have a 220. my 2001. rockers and doors are rusting through. they do drive it to canada though few times a year..
dealer maintained. although i did fix their shifter for free when it stuck them in the garage. owed them a favor. anyway, car is basically junked at 140k
dealer maintained. although i did fix their shifter for free when it stuck them in the garage. owed them a favor. anyway, car is basically junked at 140k
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Thanks Andrew .Let's call them fat fives.
I have seen those wheels before. Maybe not so much around here but short wheel base cars abroad have them.
They look great!
The Rims you got now look awesome to and i think that they suit the Car more than what i have under now , mine look to Sporty i think & dont really suit it .
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I see what you mean.
I had AMG monos with a polished lip, 18s, staggered, they did make the car look a little too gansta for me.
These new wheels are elegant, and I didn't have to buy anything special, bolts work just fine, offsets excellent, and a comfy ride, really comfy!
The Monos are for sale now...
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